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#1014582 - 03/10/10 01:10 AM Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War
Gdgrrl Offline
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This week, Congressman Dennis Kucinich will bring a privileged resolution to the floor of the House of Representatives to make an attempt to try to get America out of the war in Afghanistan.

Kucinich questions the "Trillions for war, but no money for Americans".

http://kucinich.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=28819&Itemid=1


Dennis Kucinich, addressing Congress with H. Con. Res 248:

There is a new way to fight war in Afghanistan. U.S. Commanders are publicly telling the Taliban when we are coming and where we are going to wage war. This, while Karzai tries to cut a deal with the Taliban!

Meanwhile a large offensive is being mounted--an assault on Kandahar. The U.S. is going to have 100,000 troops ready for a big battle by autumn and logistical problems abound. Here is a quote from the February 20th National Journal, "So, despite the immense effort to push out supplies, the front-line fighters sometimes don't even have the minimum they need. 'We had guys out there at outposts in my area of operations starving because we couldn't get resupply in to them,'" said one Major.

What is this all about? To strengthen corrupt central government officials building villas in Dubai? I am introducing a privileged resolution to get us out of Afghanistan and I urge your support!


The following 6 paragraphs comprise the transcript of a 3-minute video of Rep. Kucinich addressing the American public on this crucial turning point in restoring our Constitution and national virtue:

Washington has a lot of money. It has trillions for war, but no money for housing. Money for war, but no money for health care. Money for war, but no money for education. Money for war - no money to rebuild our cities. No money to create jobs, but money for war.

The Democrats took control of the Congress in 2006 with a promise to end the War in Iraq and it's not enough for this Administration to slow-walk the end of the war, which could continue for years to come. And it's not enough for a Democratic Administration to escalate a war in Afghanistan at a time when there's no clear objective and no end in sight of the contribution of blood and treasure to a region which has never been conquered by any foreign country.

It's time that we take a stand as citizens. And it's also time to force Congress to take its Constitutional responsibility seriously. Article 1, Section 8 requires that Congress has the war-making power. It is absolutely imperative that Congress be required to assert its responsibility on behalf of the American people. Congress is directly elected by the people. And Congress has to respond and step up to its responsibility to decide if we're going to stay at war in Afghanistan. And so, soon, I will bring to the Floor of the House a Privileged Resolution which will force a vote as to whether or not we stay in Afghanistan.

I ask your support for this Resolution. I ask you to go to that page on our website where you can sign-in and pledge your support to the effort to get out of Afghanistan; and where you can circulate far-and-wide the petitions that will enable us to be able to build a rising, civic movement for peace and social justice in America.

Money for war: Isn't it time that we demanded that the resources of our country be used to create the society that we know that we're capable of building.

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#1014599 - 03/10/10 01:51 AM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: Gdgrrl]
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"Washington has a lot of money. It has trillions for war, but no money for housing. Money for war, but no money for health care. Money for war, but no money for education. Money for war - no money to rebuild our cities. No money to create jobs, but money for war."

Hear, hear.
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#1014851 - 03/10/10 04:42 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: Fermentia00]
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The debate is going on now; I've got C-Span on, and have to force myself to get anything else done.

Something hypnotic about watching these people do their Congressional thing, and every once in a while: sparks, passion, and magic. More often, zzzz, sure, but that once in a while is worth seeing.

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#1014988 - 03/10/10 09:09 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: Fermentia00]
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Originally Posted By: Fermentia00
"Washington has a lot of money. It has trillions for war, but no money for housing. Money for war, but no money for health care. Money for war, but no money for education. Money for war - no money to rebuild our cities. No money to create jobs, but money for war."

Hear, hear.
. I do agree with that on this war. This is one middle eastern country that has become and will stay a quagmire. Our biggest threat is Iran, and that time will come when we have to hit them hard, especially if Israel makes the first move, we are obligated to assist them.

We need to concentrate on jobs, and rebuilding cities, but the goverment's job is not to provide housing, and health care. Education is very, very important as well as the other things you mentioned, however the government's roll of taking care of everyone has to stop. This is getting out of hand and out of control. That is why the fraud,waste,and abuse is the way it is today. Its very sad because we have to take care of our disabled, the vets and retired that payed into the system, but to create even more entitlements will eventually take this country into a situation that we will never recover from.


Edited by iraqvet (03/10/10 09:09 PM)

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#1014998 - 03/10/10 09:16 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: iraqvet]
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Did you ever stop and think about why people need help with housing and health care? Because of too many years of the government looking the other way, not regulating those who needed to be regulated, and now our citizens are suffering. Most at no fault of their own, but their government. So who do you think should be held accountable? The people of this nation are hoilding their government accountable for some of their problems, and they have every right to do so.

Hell, you come on here all the time blaming Obama for your investment problems. Maybe you just suck at choosing stock.

I guess you don't ever put yourself in someone else's shoes ehh? Perhaps you lost your little thinking cap they gave you in kindergarten while you were in Iraq?
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#1015002 - 03/10/10 09:20 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: woodgirl]
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Originally Posted By: woodgirl
Did you ever stop and think about why people need help with housing and health care? Because of too many years of the government looking the other way, not regulating those who needed to be regulated, and now our citizens are suffering. Most at no fault of their own, but their government. So who do you think should be held accountable? The people of this nation are hoilding their government accountable for some of their problems, and they have every right to do so.

Hell, you come on here all the time blaming Obama for your investment problems. Maybe you just suck at choosing stock.

I guess you don't ever put yourself in someone else's shoes ehh? Perhaps you lost your little thinking cap they gave you in kindergarten while you were in Iraq?
i agree to a point. That is why I said what I did. I am just saying we can not afford to become one that depends on the US government for a helping hand. That is the problem. I am not saying with everyone because everyones situation is different. However, there is nothing in the constitution that states the government needs to provide some of the things people are starting to want. But at the same time there is people that need it and that is different, but there is also people that are very capable of working, and making a difference but they are seeing loopholes in our system to take advantage of the fraud,waste and abuse. Its everywhere. Just look around and do some research on the fraud that exists in the entitlement programs that are in place today

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#1015029 - 03/10/10 10:23 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: iraqvet]
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IV, your logic is flawed.
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#1015035 - 03/10/10 10:37 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: Fermentia00]
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Originally Posted By: Fermentia00
IV, your logic is flawed.


Ferm, you are as sweet as Bris is not. Oil and vinegar makes a great salad dressing.

So would make that IV the lettuce?

Oh dear if so, I am a carnivore.
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#1015049 - 03/10/10 11:05 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: meonlyits]
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Cmon Meon, he probably tastes just like a big juicy pork chop.
You are what you eat after all. And we all know IV loves his pork chops.
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#1015065 - 03/11/10 12:15 AM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: woodgirl]
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#1015166 - 03/11/10 10:43 AM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: Gdgrrl]
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I am opposed to war unless it is absolutely necessary.

The reason we are in Afghanistan is because Pakistan sits next door to Afghanistan and they have nuclear capabilities. And as you all know Pakistan is not the most stable of governments and has allowed Osama and the Taliban to cross over into Pakistan at will.

The concern is that the Taliban gets their hands on those weapons, or god forbid Osama in cahoots with the Taliban. Otherwise who would give a rat's posterior what Afghanistan does - a nation of tribes that live in the dark ages. And we also know that Osama bin Laden sits his butt either in Afghanistan or on the border in Pakistan.

We should never have gone into war with Iraq, rather gone after Osama. That has been my beef with Bush from the beginning.

As you know, the Taliban has had a resurgency lately in Afghanistan. The goal is to stabilize the situation and then I think Obama will get us out of there. They are having good success in that regard.

But long term in Afghanistan -- not going to happen. Actual war with Afghanistan is NOT what we are doing. No country has been able to do it because of the nature of the country -- nation of tribes.

And if you look at the nature of Iran, they are not as big a threat as people think. Many of their people are highly educated and modern, and founded upon the original Persian empire. It is all bravado in my eyes. When the Shah fell out of power (our puppet) religious fanatics took over the country. A good lesson for us, religion and government DO NOT mix. The "natives" are restless in Iran and I think it is just a question of time before their government changes --

North Korea, that's another story. Led by a nutcase with nuclear capability.

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#1015412 - 03/11/10 08:55 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: Solace11]
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Originally Posted By: Solace11
I am opposed to war unless it is absolutely necessary.

The reason we are in Afghanistan is because Pakistan sits next door to Afghanistan and they have nuclear capabilities. And as you all know Pakistan is not the most stable of governments and has allowed Osama and the Taliban to cross over into Pakistan at will.

The concern is that the Taliban gets their hands on those weapons, or god forbid Osama in cahoots with the Taliban. Otherwise who would give a rat's posterior what Afghanistan does - a nation of tribes that live in the dark ages. And we also know that Osama bin Laden sits his butt either in Afghanistan or on the border in Pakistan.

We should never have gone into war with Iraq, rather gone after Osama. That has been my beef with Bush from the beginning.

As you know, the Taliban has had a resurgency lately in Afghanistan. The goal is to stabilize the situation and then I think Obama will get us out of there. They are having good success in that regard.

But long term in Afghanistan -- not going to happen. Actual war with Afghanistan is NOT what we are doing. No country has been able to do it because of the nature of the country -- nation of tribes.

And if you look at the nature of Iran, they are not as big a threat as people think. Many of their people are highly educated and modern, and founded upon the original Persian empire. It is all bravado in my eyes. When the Shah fell out of power (our puppet) religious fanatics took over the country. A good lesson for us, religion and government DO NOT mix. The "natives" are restless in Iran and I think it is just a question of time before their government changes --

North Korea, that's another story. Led by a nutcase with nuclear capability.









That is also very true. We do have an elite force in pakistan and have for some time. They are helping secure and guard the nuke capability. I just feel Iran will be next. That leader is warped and to threaten israel like he is, just shows he is stupid. I have worked with Israel forces on occasion. Very sharp and disciplined troops, or at least the ones I worked with. I wish I still had the map I got while in iraq. It actually shows the israel region not being on the map. For some reason seems no one in the middle east with the exception of kuwait recognizes that country. It shows the palestine region instead on most maps generated in those countries. That will be an expensive war if it happens and if the iranian forces block the straight of hormuz where ships can't enter bringing oil out, we are going to see gas at 5 dollars a gallon more than likely if a war were to break out involving that country. I hope it doesn't but only time will tell, but we can't blame israel for protecting the citizens of their country for sure.

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#1015418 - 03/11/10 09:28 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: iraqvet]
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Oh, yeah. You're dumber than dirt.
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#1015420 - 03/11/10 09:31 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: brisbain]
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I hope the war and future wars would cease. Time for us to stop spending so much in countries that hate us. Could use that money for paying down some Serious debt problems we have in our own country. But that would be the right thing to do, so it probably wont happen.

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#1015422 - 03/11/10 10:02 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: iraqvet]
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Oh yeah, you're a freaking idiot. When the hell are you going to buy the board so you can ban Ferm and me?

We're waiting...
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#1015425 - 03/11/10 10:09 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: brisbain]
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Oh yeah, you're a freaking idiot. When the hell are you going to buy the board so you can ban Ferm and me?

We're waiting...
I have inquired twice. Its not for sale . Drop the issue. I think I mentioned that yesterday to you> Its not up for discussion, as the DB forum is not up for sale. Gotta run. Time to get some sleep. Busy day ahead tomorrow!!! Peace.

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#1015426 - 03/11/10 10:10 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: iraqvet]
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Oh, yeah. You're an idiot Troll who can't write for sh it.
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#1015428 - 03/11/10 10:13 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: brisbain]
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Oh, yeah. You're an idiot troll who can't write for sh it.
Yep but it makes me tons of money. SO I could care less. Go watch tv or something. You do need some serious help for sure. I am sure that is available in your area where you live , unless u are in another country or something. Please get a refill or some psychiatric help. Please for everyone involved.

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#1015642 - 03/12/10 12:50 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: iraqvet]
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That is also very true. We do have an elite force in pakistan and have for some time.


I read this and said -- this does not ring true. Because in addition to the above quote you stated - protecting the nukes. But I wanted to make sure, so I did a little research. Here is what I found, and what I found out is that there is a little truth to what you say. Little.

I think the President of Pakistan would be nuts to allow us anywhere in their country unless it was all under wraps. It is after all an Islamic nation and his stability as President is questionable.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/washington/18nuke.html

And then Obama's current stance ---

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/29/obama-rules-out-us-troops_n_180456.html

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#1015652 - 03/12/10 01:13 PM Re: Kucinich Orders Debate on Afghan War [Re: iraqvet]
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Originally Posted By: Solace11



I just feel Iran will be next. That leader is warped and to threaten israel like he is, just shows he is stupid. I have worked with Israel forces on occasion. Very sharp and disciplined troops, or at least the ones I worked with. I wish I still had the map I got while in iraq. It actually shows the israel region not being on the map. For some reason seems no one in the middle east with the exception of kuwait recognizes that country. It shows the palestine region instead on most maps generated in those countries. That will be an expensive war if it happens and if the iranian forces block the straight of hormuz where ships can't enter bringing oil out, we are going to see gas at 5 dollars a gallon more than likely if a war were to break out involving that country. I hope it doesn't but only time will tell, but we can't blame israel for protecting the citizens of their country for sure.


I think your comments are a little too "Cheney" for me. Yes Ahmadinejad is a whack job -- denies the holocaust, wants to blow Israel away, the whole bit. But he does not have ultimate power, it is shared with the Khomeini -- still a whack job. But both are smart enough to know if they go near Israel there will be hell to pay. That is why I say -- all bravado. Certainly not worth going to war for. Even if they get nuclear weapons.

There are a lot of young people in Iran -- and they hit the streets when Ahmadinejad won the election. Was it rigged, I really don't know. He is a nitwit for sure. The march in the streets ended by force, but believe me, the thoughts of those folks are still there in Iran.

The pressure in Iran to modernize is very real. I think it is just a question of time. This whole scene from the Shah to the Khomeinis was an overreaction -- we had no business in Iran.

This is why I am so concerned about this country -- when we go too far right or too far left, there is always "over-reaction". Down the middle, steady as she goes. Look at history -- Russia in particular. I cannot say they went from bad to worse (the czars were pretty bad), but their "communism" path certainly did not pay any benefits.

And actually I am a strong proponent of a Palestine state. I think Israel settling the West Bank is a disgrace. Give them some land already. Israel is too damn cocky knowing it has the full power of the US behind it. Here is another one - FIX IT.

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