Still no go on the 2nd 1/2 of my order that was suppossed to be re-shipped on 1/27/10. I sent another email today, but I am not expecting anything.

Tell him if he wants more business to REALLY send your meds so he can have at least one positive feedback on drugbuyers.

These 4U places have more negative feedback then any place I've ever seen.

Raj has taken people who can ill afford it for tens of thousands of dollars and maybe a whole lot more. I would be very interested in what your definition of "a nice guy" is.

OD

I see your point. For a long time everyone got there packs from Raj. To me he was always kind in emails and I feel in the long run I am ahead with Raj. That being said I sure am not going to order from him. There is a certain amount of risk with all of this no matter how much money you have or don't have in my case.

I would bet it is more than tens of thousands of dollars, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he has ripped people off for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Like the old adage says, "There's a sucker born every minute." This guy has been scamming for years and people are still placing orders. Raj has made himself a very rich man, it's too bad he had to sell his soul to do it.

If weevers posts a + feedback he/she willbe accused of being a 'Shill'. I'm hesitant to post my negative experiences with Raj (which would add to info for others decisions)because of being called a 'Shill', accused of being Raj and being on Raj's payroll. People with negative experiences need to post. People who have a special fixation with Raj and hand around this thread a year after being scammed, criticizing those with positive posts need to look for a new hobby or at least a thread for another OP, like GEORGE (hint, hint). I thought these threads were for info, not socializing, ganging up on so called new members, even if they're 2 + year members with only a handful of posts.

GOOD LOOK WEEVERS. I VOW TO NEVER ACCUSE SOMEONE OF BEING A 'Shill'. People need info to make decisions.

By the way. My first post, I was accuse of being a 'Shill', Raj and getting kick backs from IM4U. At least one of those accusations counts as slander. Also, these negative 'Shill' accusation posts violate the essence of the Rules. I have written Admin., but they don't seem to care.

Apologies for using this thread as a soap box, but this is a thread where alot of this behavior goes on.

k.

Damn420-

Thanks for the info re med costs in India. India is a poor country. I've always suspected the meds there must be VERY cheap. I did not expect they would be that low! I know other items in India are very cheap. Students' text books apparently cost about one tenth or less than the price in the states. Cost of living there is much, much lower. Figures the necessities of life would be cheap too.

Thanks again.

k.

Yes theres more poor people there then the US but everyone isnt poor. They have massive corporate areas built but US company's like Goldman Sachs, Microsoft, HP surrounded by golf courses and Pizza Hut billboards.
Why do you think anytime you call customer service to have your pc fixed or a charge removed from your CC the person answering the phone has a very strong accent?

And this thread is where a lot of scamming goes on as well. There is roughly 40 pages of posts here and a high percentage, especially recently, are negative. Some people come back here to help and keep the scamming fact alive for others so they don't get taken. And some come here to attack those who do HINT HINT!

Have you had much experience participating on Internet message boards?
And do you know anything about the difference between libel and slander and what either one constitutes?
If the answers are "no" then you are in for a rude awakening regarding the expectations of what your experience will be on this or basically any other discussion forum.
I don't believe the situation is that the administrator/moderators here don't seem to care.
I think you just need to understand how all of this communication actually works and quit whining about your hurt feelings and bruised ego.

Because it's cheaper for companies to pay people in India a few pounds a week than it is to pay people in the UK a few hundred pounds.

Scandalous really.

thats not the whole quote....but i know why they outsource and i agree with you. but the point is its not all rocks, dirt and grass huts.

Sorry, I guess I meant 'libel'.


'Defamation—also called calumny, vilification, slander (for transitory statements), and libel (for written, broadcast, or otherwise published words)—is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image.'

I think that fits the situation.

k

As far as your 'hint' 'hint', please refrain from ever responding to one of my posts again. I would have left multiple anti Raj posts, but your accusations that 1. I was Raj, 2. That I was a 'Shill' and 3. That I received kick backs from Raj infuriated me to the point that I swore I would not leave any anti Raj posts regardles of how bad his actions are. Frankly, I depise you for your baseless, pathetic accusations. I know others do to. You've got a lot of nerve making your various baseless accusations, usually directed at those new to posting. And by the way, my complaint about abusive 'Shill' accusations to admin. was entirely about you (by name).

So please, never respond to another one of my posts again.


k

I've never communicated with you prior to my last post.
Possibly your anger and damaged ego has confused you a little.
Any "accusations" I made were about the need to be a bit less sensitive when you're trying to participate in a discussion on a public message board.
Maybe that would help you keep straight whom you are responding to.

India is a top pharmaceutical producer in the world and "cheap" is relative to shipping time, quality and ultimately receipt of the package. None of these are Raj's strong areas in his operations. This is just a bad source...

martind are you raj

Please excuse me. I was trying to respond to another member. My apologies. But please, don't try to diagnose me. "Damaged ego" etc. Yeah. I'm a bit angry, but I don't like being accused of the various things I was accused of. You can probably figure out who the member I was attempting to respond to.

My posts over the past day and a half have pretty much broken MY Rules regarding posting and getting drawn into arguments. I regret this, but my letter to admin. seems to have changed nothing regarding the individual in question. Admin. did pull my first post which was a + review of IM4U and also pulled the offensive response. But this member still lurks on this thread waiting to ambush anyone who leaves a + post re Raj with out of line accusations and so called apologies for those who take offense. I know there are many others who have made the mistake(is it really a mistake?) of leaving a positive post. Just read through this thread start to finish and you'll see what I mean. I am only voicing what many others feel. Why do accusations of this sort have to be made re whether one is a 'Shill' or not? A simple civilised question or rational dialog would suffice. As far as my actions, as I said, this kind of behavior on my part is something I refuse to engage in, however my anger did get the best of me. I do not appreciate a. being accused of posting as Raj in disguise b. being a 'Shill' and c. recieving goods from Raj for a positive post.

Once again, I sincerely apologize for the mix up, and I hope to have positive dialog with you in the future.

Thanks for calling this to my attention.
Best regards,
k

As far as your 'hint' 'hint', please refrain from ever responding to one of my posts again. I would have left multiple anti Raj posts, but your accusations that 1. I was Raj, 2. That I was a 'Shill' and 3. That I received kick backs from Raj infuriated me to the point that I swore I would not leave any anti Raj posts regardles of how bad his actions are. Frankly, I depise you for your baseless, pathetic accusations. I know others do to. You've got a lot of nerve making your various baseless accusations, usually directed at those new to posting. And by the way, my complaint about abusive 'Shill' accusations to admin. was entirely about you (by name).

So please, never respond to another one of my posts again.


k

Damn, you got me there.
I guess my clever cover is completely blown now.
You are too quick for anyone to put anything over on you.

You must be delirious. The onl;y response I have ever posted to you was in response to your HINT HINT post. I never called you a Shill or anything else. In fact I never even heard of you until your post of 2/26 which I didn't respond to.

Anyone who wants to check my posts can see that this is true.

Wow! Why is anyone as sensitive as you are if they are not feeling guilty. Or perhaps I responded to you under another screen name and you've just given that awaY?

OD

Martin, I thought you were really Kimbo Slice.

If you were to check with admin., you would find that one of your posts from August '09 has been pulled, the one responding to my first ever post (must be Raj!). My first post has also been pulled. I am assuming this was done in response to the notification/complaint I wrote to admin. This first post, like many other member's first posts on this thread, was a positive review of my experiences with Raj, which elicited the all to common response from you that the member making the + Raj post was a 'Shill', was suspect due to a small number of posts, was Raj himself under one his multiple aliases, and best of all in the response you directed to me, you questioned how Raj was compensating me.

I'm not sure if you would notice that one of your posts is no longer there. I never would have known about it in the first place had it not been for the fact that I was going back through all threads on this post after things went bad with Mahatma Raj. In this review I made of IM$U/IM4U I noticed many problems. 1. Raj is inconsistent in his performance, probably keeping funds and not mailing product (I had 4 positive orders, one even requiring a re-ship which came through, before there was a noticable change, as order never came). 2. Anyone leaving a positive post gets attacked by a number of members, members who make a habit of this behaviour which usually includes the 'Shill' accusation. 3. Members with a low number of posts expressing a positive opinion of Raj are routinely considered suspect and treated rather rudely.

Upon nearing my one and only post on this thread, I saw some more 'Shill' this 'Shill' that posts, and noticed that one of these was in respose to......me. Probably the worst of that particular anti-'Shill' orgy as it made the accusation that I a. was Raj, and b. was on Raj's payroll so to speak. Your post in response to my naive belief that leaving my experiene with the OP was the right thing to do.

Now I know that you leave many, many posts, and you have a special vendetta towards Raj, so perhaps you don't recall one post, but I assure it was made, by you, and like my post, is no longer there. Ask admin. I too have a special vendetta against Raj, but I am above taking it out on others who were victimized as I was. Of course, those posting a + positive IM$U experience don't know that they've been screwed yet. So instead of beating up on these people, why not respond something like "sorry dude, things may be going ok so far with Raj, but take it from me and many others here, he will scam you". That sounds a lot nicer than attacking someone who most likely is not a 'Shill' and is new buying online.


k.

Kilbairn.

Thank you for your detailed and courteous response. It is appreciated. I will admit that I wouldn't remember one post from August 09, especially if Admin has pulled it. I tend to use the term Shill-like behavior rather than Shill now, but back then I may have used the term.

I have a special vendetta against ALL who scam people on thir meds, not just Raj. Many of the people buying this way do so out of desperation and can ill afford the loss. In my early days on this board (I lurked for about 3-4 years before signing up) and via other sites I lost a lot of money to scammers. Now I look for certain clues and, fortunately, have not been scammed in awhile. Every so often I revisit a number of scam threads like Raj's and respond in order to keep the warning alive.

If back in 8/09 I accused you of being a Shill or Shill-like behavior I apologize. And based on recent posts of yours it was undeserved. The particular issue with this thread is no other has SO many first time posters coming on with praise or longer term members with very few posts doing the same. That in itself makes this site somewhat different from others and leads to the name calling. And these posts always seem to appear in bunches when a lot of negative stuff has been posted. It just seems like a counterbalance by Raj to offset the issues and rake in a few more unsuspecting people.

The tone of my posts have calmed down quite a bit in recent months all over the board as I realized that I had been too aggressive. Still, I will always be watching for potential scamming and shilling at any thread I visit to post a warning that a post or posts seem suspicious. For this I have been accused of being the self-appointed Shill-police, a term I now consider one of honor. But if I have wrongly suggested Shill-like behavior or scam-like behavior (I never directly accuse any longer--I guess I'm growing up finally even though I'm not young) by anyone I am deeply sorry. But I do choose to err on the side of pointing out warning signs when I see them.

And again, to you Kilbairn, I am deeply sorry for the accusation of the now deleted post (I take your word that it was there originally) and publicly post this apology. And I hope you will continue to post warnings here and at other threads when you have had a personal issue or see suspicious behavior, as well as good experiences which we all should do as well.

Be Well!

OD

Lots of words for a source that really sucks. lol

Have to agree with you. I guess Ic ould have been less wordy I'm still amazed this site isn't blacklisted. In the very first post that started this thread by Admin, many months ago, Admin states they have been getting a lot of complaints about Indianmeds. Ity makes no sense that he's not blacklisted and people are still falling for his garbage.

Be well!

OD

This is evidently a sad day... I ordered from Raj more than 10 times in 2008, even paid extra for "Speed Post", which he offset the cost of by sending extra pills. Every order arrived on time, every email was answered promptly, and every package contained exactly what it was supposed to. Raj not only replied to order related emails, but also took the time to answer some of the silly questions i had (like why do i have to send money order to a different name every time).

Raj was, in a nutshell, a gift from God.

I now find myself in need of medication once again, but see nothing but negative feedback pertaining to my "dear friend" from New Delhi. I am torn... sending money orders to India is not exactly safe, and I just don't know what to do. Raj was the only site i ever used to order meds online, and since he always did me right i never had any reservations.

Has anyone else used IM4U recently? What were the results? Any help would be greatly appreciated. If not IM4U, then who?

The postmark of a LL tells you everything you need to know. The Indian government will not send you one, thats for sure. To pull that off, you need someone in the US mailing the LL or you might be able to set it up with a remailing service.

I used Raj for years successfully...but two years ago he started falling down on the job.

Bad communication, money in his pocket, no meds in mine.

His past reputation may have been good, but I am never visiting this site again.
Don't waste your time here.

Requested my second re-ship today. Its not looking good. If nothing is received, I am done with Raj. At least I obtained 1/2 of my final order with him. The other 1/2 will be the cost of a "life's lesson".