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#1010849 - 03/02/10 10:32 AM Personal use or trafficking?
Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6976 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	It is not unusual to see IOP's offering meds in large quantities A 1000 pills normally represent an order of 200 grams of pills or more Would that weight be buying for personal use or buying to resell or possession or trafficking controlled substances? The people ordering may order for personal use but the laws of the land may define those quantities as trafficking... Are people considering such an order aware of what can go wrong? In many States and countries possession of a certain quantity of controlled substaces is considered traffcking and in many cases there are mandatory sentences for drug traffickers... What are your toughts and comments on this? What do you think will happen to someone caught with an envelope containing 1000 diazepam, alprozalam, or any other controlled substance? _________________________ >>> Please post all questions on the board for all to see and comment. >>> To contact us privately go to www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#1010872 - 03/02/10 11:10 AM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: Administrator]
cajunbulldog Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/28/06 Posts: 1046 Loc: Southern USA	I think they would be up a creek without a paddle personally.
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#1010884 - 03/02/10 11:41 AM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: Administrator]
EndGame Board Addict Registered: 10/14/09 Posts: 308 Loc: Pinko Valley	While I can see someone ordering 1000 pills for personal use for the price break and to stock up, there is no way I would recommend this. I think it would be impossible to explain 1000 pills for personal use to LE. If you can stay out of jail, at the very least, the lawyer fees are going to be steep. JMO. _________________________ All Politicians are Liars
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#1010905 - 03/02/10 12:09 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: Administrator]
patient2all GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/16/02 Posts: 3602 Loc: NY/NJ	Quote: The people ordering may order for personal use but the laws of the land may define those quantities as trafficking... Are people considering such an order aware of what can go wrong? In many States and countries possession of a certain quantity of controlled substaces is considered traffcking and in many cases there are mandatory sentences for drug traffickers... What are your thoughts and comments on this? What do you think will happen to someone caught with an envelope containing 1000 diazepam, alprozalam, or any other controlled substance? We're going back about 2-3 years but I recall a credible tale of a member here who had 900 IOP Valium seized. They were being sent to a business that he owned. He got a visit, indeed the suspicion was that he was trafficking. The guy "lucked out" if you could call it that. He convinced the DEA (?) guys who showed up that he had a bad habit and would have consumed each and every one of those himself -- which appears to have been the case. The agents gave him a look of disgust and said "Get yourself some help!" and left. No one should feel comfortable ordering those quantities. Personally, I think this guy v-e-r-y narrowly dodged a bullet. Agents must have sized him up as just a pathetic fellow who fell victim to addiction and felt it wasn't worth their while to pursue, especially since the source was 1/2 a world away. p2a _________________________ PWRRain - Rest In Peace - 2010
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#1010924 - 03/02/10 01:29 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: patient2all]
genethebean1 GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 01/08/07 Posts: 3644 Loc: In the Witchy Forest	I think ordering 1000 pills at one time would definitely be a huge risk. I suppose if someone is considering this, they should check their state mandatory sentencing laws (although if caught, it would probably be a federal charge).
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#1010927 - 03/02/10 01:34 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: genethebean1]
OldandWorn GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 09/21/03 Posts: 11027 Loc: On the road to Liberty	Originally Posted By: genethebean1 I think ordering 1000 pills at one time would definitely be a huge risk. I suppose if someone is considering this, they should check their state mandatory sentencing laws (although if caught, it would probably be a federal charge). I think you are correct, unless you have some local yokel running for office. _________________________ "A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have". T. Jefferson
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#1010935 - 03/02/10 01:42 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: OldandWorn]
GoogleRose GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/19/09 Posts: 2068 Loc: NW USA	I think thats way to many to order at once also. I cant imagine 1000 pills is being used for personal use? More than likely re-selling. Not worth going to jail over either. Its not like ordering 100 pills but how would you explain 1,000 for personal use? No way would I even consider it. _________________________ "beware of those minions" I like to hunt them down!
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#1010943 - 03/02/10 01:53 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: GoogleRose]
cajunbulldog Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/28/06 Posts: 1046 Loc: Southern USA	The most I could see is 180 which is three times daily per month.My drugs are mail order pharmacy every three months. I can't imagine using 1000 pills in three months.
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#1010984 - 03/02/10 03:28 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: cajunbulldog]
Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6976 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	Searching for info on this I found news of a guy caught with 200 thousand diazepam pills. He admitted possessing class C drugs with intent to supply at an earlier hearing. That was in UK and he got 15 months in jail.... http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central...t-rail-station/ Florida may not be so light handed with their punishments. Most visitors here are familuar with the story of Richard Paey who was sentenced to 25 years and eventually pardoned: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/25/60minutes/main1238202.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody _________________________ >>> Please post all questions on the board for all to see and comment. >>> To contact us privately go to www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#1011111 - 03/02/10 07:09 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: Administrator]
mouse23 Member Registered: 08/29/09 Posts: 156 Loc: Mn	I don't have to worry about it because I order in quantities that don't even cover my own needs, but I would think the burden of proof would still have to be met by the state. I don't think it's wise--but I could see ordering a thousand pills if the DISCOUNT was good enough. It's like toilet paper: you can't really buy "too much" if you are going to keep pooping. My pain isn't going away--and while it would take a LONG time to go through that many--I would eventually take them all. Minimum sentencing laws might hurt you---but unless they can prove you distributed them--you can't really be convicted of it(can you?). The prosecutors will threaten and try to scare you to take a plea; but in the end--they still have to prove it. No matter how many pills you order--someone still has to say you gave them some AND produce said pills in court--or else the dark side is S.O.L. _________________________ EVIL....its the new good!
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#1011121 - 03/02/10 07:36 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: mouse23]
Administrator Administrator GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 11/18/01 Posts: 6976 Loc: DrugBuyers.Com	Originally Posted By: mouse23 Minimum sentencing laws might hurt you---but unless they can prove you distributed them--you can't really be convicted of it(can you?) If the law says that a certain quantity is all that it takes to be considered trafficking... that is it... there is no need to prove any pills were sold... In some places you can be charged with trafficking even if you never sold a pill... For example... I think in Florida and if all goes wrong... you can be charged with trafficking if you are in illegal possession of 24 grams of Vicodin pills... _________________________ >>> Please post all questions on the board for all to see and comment. >>> To contact us privately go to www.drugbuyers.com/help
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#1011133 - 03/02/10 07:47 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: mouse23]
New4Here Old Hand Registered: 03/25/09 Posts: 479 Loc: Midwest	The irony of this is now he is incarcerated he gets the relief he could not being in main stream society. Somehow the picture here is twisted and it is sad. As to the amounts, I have no answer as I do not take opiates so I can not address with any validity. _________________________ Even a clock that does not work is right twice a day. ~Polish Proverb
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#1011143 - 03/02/10 08:03 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: New4Here]
GoogleRose GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/19/09 Posts: 2068 Loc: NW USA	LOL Mouse how can you compare stocking up on TP with stocking up on meds? Thats funny! Doesnt charges differ from state to state or country to country? If someone is using something for personal use for example...Tramadol...fiorocet....saying buying qty of 90 pills per month from these places that ship from Florida...nextdaysoma....jumprx...friendly clinic. Some would say its considered a respectable about for just personal use but could LE still bust you for buying from these IOP's? Admin or whoever not sure about what 24 grams of whatever would be equivalent to that? When I lived in So Cali and we would go to TJ and stock up on Soma they allowed you to cross the boarder with say 100 tabs = 1 bottle. This was in 1995 or so. Is that still valid or have the laws changed since then? Now that Soma is considered a class 14 can you imagine getting busted just for say 90 Soma's? Pharmacy said its the same class of Oxy's now. Get hauled off to jail and they would say what are you in here for....oh I bought Soma's LOL. _________________________ "beware of those minions" I like to hunt them down!
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#1011418 - 03/03/10 04:17 AM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: GoogleRose]
spazmatica Journeyman Registered: 10/08/07 Posts: 70	Soma is no longer OTC in Mexico. BUT, there are a handful of pharms that will sell under the counter at about 50 cents per Originally Posted By: GoogleRose LOL Mouse how can you compare stocking up on TP with stocking up on meds? Thats funny! Doesnt charges differ from state to state or country to country? If someone is using something for personal use for example...Tramadol...fiorocet....saying buying qty of 90 pills per month from these places that ship from Florida...nextdaysoma....jumprx...friendly clinic. Some would say its considered a respectable about for just personal use but could LE still bust you for buying from these IOP's? Admin or whoever not sure about what 24 grams of whatever would be equivalent to that? When I lived in So Cali and we would go to TJ and stock up on Soma they allowed you to cross the boarder with say 100 tabs = 1 bottle. This was in 1995 or so. Is that still valid or have the laws changed since then? Now that Soma is considered a class 14 can you imagine getting busted just for say 90 soma's? Pharmacy said its the same class of Oxy's now. Get hauled off to jail and they would say what are you in here for....oh I bought soma's LOL.
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#1011502 - 03/03/10 10:47 AM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: spazmatica]
GoogleRose GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/19/09 Posts: 2068 Loc: NW USA	LOL oops I made a typo....I wrote that Soma was a class 14!! What I meant to say was just plain different sch now....oh boy I must have been tired when I posted! I figured they probably got strict being that was 15 yrs ago since I was there. I used to go to a specific place there and after they got to know me they gave me stronger stuff other than tylexcd. They are very very leary because they are afraid of undercover's so they dont trust anybody. Im hoping this isnt off topic but knowing me it probably is but one of the 1st times I went there in my younger days and I guess this would constitute as being quite naive I asked if they had percocet.....they said oh yes we have neo-percodan. I thought wow cool....I was paranoid walking from the boarder thinking it was totally illegal come to find out the joke was on me! Hook....line.....sinker! LOL dang it I was mad. _________________________ "beware of those minions" I like to hunt them down!
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#1011553 - 03/03/10 12:52 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: GoogleRose]
martind GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 05/01/08 Posts: 3870	One more time...in states that have re-scheduled Soma, it is not "in the same class as oxy's now." Oxycodone medications are scheduled C-II. In certain states, Soma is now scheduled C-IV. Not the same "class."
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#1011703 - 03/03/10 06:15 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: EndGame]
0blackmamba0 Newbie Registered: 02/24/10 Posts: 43 Loc: U.S	Hi, I'm new here, and I somehow disabled pm messages. How do i enable them? Thank you. _________________________ Margo.
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#1011758 - 03/03/10 08:10 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: 0blackmamba0]
cajunbulldog Pooh-Bah Registered: 08/28/06 Posts: 1046 Loc: Southern USA	Originally Posted By: 0blackmamba0 Hi, I'm new here, and I somehow disabled pm messages. How do i enable them? Thank you. You need 25 posts before they will work.Welcome to the board.
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#1011845 - 03/03/10 10:28 PM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: martind]
GoogleRose GRAND Pooh-Bah Registered: 07/19/09 Posts: 2068 Loc: NW USA	Originally Posted By: martind One more time...in states that have re-scheduled Soma, it is not "in the same class as oxy's now." Oxycodone medications are scheduled C-II. In certain states, Soma is now scheduled C-IV. Not the same "class." Sorry for that Martind! The pharmacist at Walmart was the one who referred to it as being in the same class. Ive been on Soma for several yrs and thought it was very odd that she said it was in the same class too! LOL _________________________ "beware of those minions" I like to hunt them down!
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#1012565 - 03/05/10 11:51 AM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: GoogleRose]
audevidetace Stranger Registered: 09/18/09 Posts: 10	200 seems to be a common amount on websites.
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#1028205 - 04/03/10 11:33 AM Re: Personal use or trafficking? [Re: GoogleRose]
mouse23 Member Registered: 08/29/09 Posts: 156 Loc: Mn	Every time you order you take a risk, less orders=less risk. Just like tp, you know you'll use it eventually-- so why not get the case of 24 rolls rather than the minimal 4 rolls--since you just gotta go back to the store again when you're out. (granted; there isn't much risk in tp; but more does make a certain sense) My largest order to date was 300 pills---but that is a matter of finances--I'd order for a whole year if I could afford it... _________________________ EVIL....its the new good!
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